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Further to my previous post, a cross-over fic that I am never going to write, life being too short and also it being one of those fics which are fun in the abstract, but ultimately a cut and paste of the names unless you’re going to write the really long version, which I am not (though if I had any skills in that direction I could almost be tempted to try a vid). It’s under a cut because it contains a major spoiler for Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, namely the identity of the mole*.


It is quite obvious, watching the final episode of TTSS, in which Bill Haydon has been unmasked as the mole and is sitting with a bloody nose on a bed talking to Smiley (see clip) about why he did it, veering between spitting fury and weeping misery, that Ian Richardson would have made a terrific Peter Wimsey.

Inevitably, one thought leads to another. Wimsey works for the Foreign Office, sort of unofficially to start with, but becoming more formal. Certainly by whatever he’s doing in WWII he must have some pretty serious sort of status, even if his social standing allows for a certain plausible deniability in case he gets caught: “Nothing to do with us gov, just a rather too independent-minded aristocrat thinking that chaps together can sort things out”. We’re never told that Wimsey speaks Russian, but it wouldn’t be implausible for a man of his linguistic talents to learn it. Besides, even post-war you could still cover a lot of European diplomacy with German and French (still can).

So it’s 1945. Wimsey has survived the war: it’s having been decided that he is far too recognisable to send on secret missions, he’s shunted off to intelligence. After the war things quieten down, but he stays involved in some way. By now he’s been around for some time, he’s met a lot of people, and he’s the sort of person you want when you’re negotiating treaties and so on, and inevitably he meanders over to Russian affairs.

The rest we know. The old order is ending, but what is to replace it? Feeling middle-aged, a little bored, increasingly cynical, perhaps above all craving a new source of excitement, Wimsey finds himself thinking that perhaps his sister Mary was right after all. And so he ends up spying for Russia.***

So we come finally to the scene that set off my train of thought. Wimsey has finally been unmasked. Obviously he didn’t make a mistake himself, and certainly not one that involved his having more information than he would have picked up by sleeping with someone’s wife, so whatever finally gave him away must have come from elsewhere, but the end result is the same. He ends up in a poorly run security facility, awaiting transfer to Moscow.**** Which brings me back to the beginning, with Richardson as Haydon looking like Wimsey and the cut and paste bit. Wimsey confesses not to Smiley, but to Harriet. She will not be going to Moscow.

As for the Jim Prideaux role: there’s only one man who’s going to shoot Wimsey. Curtain falls on Bunter, in the woods, with a sniper rifle.

** Not to Bletchley and code-breaking – he’s no mathematician, and by day 3 he’d be doing a Miles Vorkosigan turn and investigating the plumbing.

*** Much of the length of this fic in the full version would be taken up in making this seem psychologically plausible.

**** Cue compulsory joke about how after Edwardian public school, Soviet Russia will come as nothing new to him.

*I do hope that someone somewhere has written a TTSS/The Wind in the Willows crossover.

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Date: 2012-11-23 11:07 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] legionseagle
Permission to point out that there is always a spoiler for the identity of the mole in any given dramatisation of TTSS; namely, he or she is whoever's played by the biggest star that's been given an otherwise apparently miniscule part.
Edited Date: 2012-11-23 11:08 am (UTC)

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Date: 2012-11-23 02:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] serriadh
The friend I saw the most recent film with was confused a while, on the basis that it surely HAD to be Colin Firth (using the criterion you mentioned) but he is always good, and Toby Jones is always a baddie, so perhaps Percy Alleline was the mole.

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Date: 2012-11-23 03:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] antisoppist
As explained in Hurda Gurda Murder when it is always Felicity Kendall.

I must watch TTSS. It suffered from me only managing to watch the first fifteen minutes every week before being discovered and sent to bed the first time round.

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Date: 2012-11-23 01:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tree_and_leaf
one of those fics which are fun in the abstract, but ultimately a cut and paste of the names unless you’re going to write the really long version,

I fear you're right, but it is a lot of fun in the abstract. And of course it would be Bunter with the rifle!

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Date: 2012-11-23 02:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] serriadh
This is excellent, and I totally agree about the likely results of stationing Peter at Bletchley.

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Date: 2012-11-23 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookwormsarah.livejournal.com
Oh yes, he'd be perfect as Wimsey. I'm watching one of the tv adaptations for the first time (Have His Carcase) and am not quite convinced so have been trying to work out who I'd cast if an adaptation was produced now.

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Date: 2012-11-23 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
HHC is my favourite of the adaptations (which may not bode well), and I like Petherbridge (he does a terrific Harriet on a cassette version), but I was just watching Richardson thinking how unfair fate is!

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Date: 2012-11-23 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lyras.livejournal.com
Sometimes I really am quite jealous of your brain.

Curtain falls on Bunter, in the woods, with a sniper rifle.

Well. Perfection.

Thanks for linking to the clip, too - I loved the recent film (and the book), but it looks like I really do need to check out the BBC version, as well. Agree with you on the Haydon actor as Wimsey.

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Date: 2012-11-23 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
But if my brain didn't fix on these wretched things, I might have written a bestseller by now :-)

I enjoyed both film and BBC version (mean to read the book) - the effect of a TV series is different, and it has the time to be more leisurely, but it's gripping.

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Date: 2012-11-23 09:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saki101.livejournal.com
I can see why you also imagine this as a vid. I've found a few that do amazing things with cross-over/re-casting concepts and marvel at the technique that must be involved in achieving that. Yours is a fascinating idea.

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Date: 2012-11-24 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I don't normally watch vids much, but this idea really hangs so much on Richardson's performance that I don't want to write the fic, I just want to see Harriet and Bunter cut into it instead of Alec Guinness.

I love the Buffy vs Edward Cullen one; it's not simply very funny, it's technically so impressive.

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Date: 2012-11-24 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saki101.livejournal.com
*nods* And some ideas are just more visual than others.

I don't know the Buffy vid, but here is a link to a Sherlock/House/Fortysomething one that manages that particular magic: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpyCa9IcEM).

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Date: 2012-11-23 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madamedarque.livejournal.com
I am positively salivating.

Certainly by whatever he’s doing in WWII he must have some pretty serious sort of status, even if his social standing allows for a certain plausible deniability in case he gets caught: “Nothing to do with us gov, just a rather too independent-minded aristocrat thinking that chaps together can sort things out”.

I always felt that this was the cover for his diplomatic work during Gaudy Night as well, although perhaps it was a bit more than "chaps together" diplomacy? /desperately wants Peter to do some intelligence work.

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Date: 2012-11-24 10:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I get the impression in Gaudy Night that he's not simply doing the chatting up that he claims - he's dashing round multiple embassies, and being involved at PM-level conferences in the UK - but that part of his value abroad is that he's very good at persuading people, and also at getting people to drop their guard and say more than they mean (and he's able to pick up when they've done so), and that does build at least a bit on him as an aristocratic chap. Which is pretty much what he does on the detection front.

I'd like to see him do some on-screen intelligence work, too.

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Date: 2012-11-23 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mobile-alh.livejournal.com
TTSS/The Wind in the Willows crossover.


Oh, I would so read that....

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Date: 2012-11-24 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I don't even like TWitW, but it would just be a brilliant crossover!

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Date: 2012-11-24 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
That is an absolutely awesome bit of acting on Richardson's part and I can quite see why you had sudden Wimsey flashbacks. Although further to your *** footnote, I suspect that you would need not just length to achieve psychological plausibility, but the sort of retconning that turns the Fat Patrician of the first Discworld book into the carnivorous flamingo of Guards! Guards! ("It's the same character, but written by a stupider author") - perhaps a series of books about Lady Mary Wimsey, the famous detective, including one in which she rescues her rather stupider little brother Peter from the clutches of a gold-digging romance author with Soviet sympathies who turns out to have poisoned her previous lover? Of course the spying would have to teach Peter to grow up (the male equivalent of marrying Charles Parker and spending your life doing housework on a limited income), so we could feel the proper appalled sympathy-mixed-with-contempt that Richardson is so good at inspiring.

I don't see why LPW wouldn't have been at Bletchley, though. It wasn't all maths - one of the methods of recruiting was to put a crossword in the Times and interview everyone who claimed to have done it in under 12 minutes - and he's clearly been rubbing shoulders with cryptologists before the war. But I agree that he wouldn't have stuck it for long.

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Date: 2012-11-24 02:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
The whole thing is just terrific - if you're looking for Christmas DVDs, it is definitely one to give a go.

I love your Mary Wimsey:detective alternative. There's that sheer pettiness about Richardson's portrayal that leavens the sympathy nicely. Though I was pretty sympathetic on the nose front, as I was engaged in similar dabbing while watching.

Had Wimsey not had his social position, then I'd find Bletchley plausible as somewhere he could end up. But as it is, I don't think it's how they'd use his talents - he's not going to be doing the key roles in code-breaking, languages etc., because there are people much better at them than he is. He could do the stuff that people were trained to, but it seems a bit of a waste when what he does that other people can't is analyse what you've got out of the intelligence gathering, and the diplomacy/international politics stuff. You don't want Peter reading random code, but analysing what this bit of German means and telling you that the author went to X school and is connected to Y, and will undoubtedly do Q because of F.

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Date: 2012-11-26 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azdak.livejournal.com
You have convinced me re. Peter not being a Bletchleyite.

We actually have TTSS on DVD. I think I gave it to Wolfgang for Christmas last year. He's watched it and I haven't, largely because I go to bed too early to have time to watch anything outside the holidays.

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Date: 2012-11-27 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
Then you know what you're watching over the holidays...

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Date: 2012-11-26 08:40 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Terrific as always. One way of making the spying for the Soviets psychologically plausible would be if Harriet and the little Wimseys had been killed in the Blitz (I know that's not canon, but that's the least of the issues...). In that case, Wimsey wouldn't be confessing to Harriet. Perhaps to Margery... :-) Bunter would still kill him though.

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Date: 2012-11-27 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
I am not killing Harriet in the blitz! (Though Stephen King has done.) My artistic justification is that it has to be confession to Harriet because its about betraying her in person, not just the country in the abstract

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