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In which I have led good people to ruin (TV)
While I was visiting my parents, we watched episodes 1 - 4 of Nirvana in Fire. Possibly getting a bit desperate for new things in a world currently depriving them of cinema, days out, and the art gallery, and having heard me go on about how amazing it was* they volunteered to try an episode. I said that they needed to watch the first two episodes to get a sense of what it is like, and despite the first 5 mins of dodgy CGI and the next 90 minutes of trying to keep track of who everyone is** they were quite open to suggestions that we move on to 3 and 4 on subsequent rainy afternoons. But watching to indulge your Covid-addled daughter is one thing, to carry on is another.
Over the past week or so, they found them on the TV YouTube app and watched 5 and 6. On Saturday night they watched 7 and 8 in a row. Yesterday, my father printed out a family try and character guide (with photos) from the internet. There's no turning back at this point.
Having watched it solo, though with much discussion with
azdak, it is interesting watching other people experience it for the first time IRL and go through the same "WTF is going on, argh, I can't keep up. Oh thank God, Commander Meng, I know who he is" experience. The Crown Prince is a baddie on sight because he has a dodgy moustache (and admittedly tried to have his brother assassinated). Prince Yu is not. My mother insists on calling Mei Changsu the Divine Intervention and is disappointed at signs that Prince Yu may not be a goodie after all. I am going to stay again in September, I think that might work out at just in time for Jingrui's birthday party...
Suggestions for the best moment to break the news to them about the yeti are welcome. I think I have to, though I shall frame it as "there's a bit of a weird sequence in which we are given a pseudo-scientific explanation for yetis".
I now have a list NiF fic ideas plus growing pile of notes. Fortunately, they are largely of the short spin off from canon idea, which is very considerate of them because I don't want epic new plots just now, thank you very much, whereas a straightforward one-shot is nice. Though I may have to buy a book of Chinese poetry as the challenge of coming up with titles is even worse than usual.
*"It's so exciting! Shen Zhui is trying to reduce corruption in disaster relief"
**It struck me that the Chinese viewer has a major additional clue in telling Lin Shu and Lin Chen apart, because the latter's first appearance in a new face is heralded by his holding a bracelet that reads "Lin Shu", which is not subtitled.
Over the past week or so, they found them on the TV YouTube app and watched 5 and 6. On Saturday night they watched 7 and 8 in a row. Yesterday, my father printed out a family try and character guide (with photos) from the internet. There's no turning back at this point.
Having watched it solo, though with much discussion with
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Suggestions for the best moment to break the news to them about the yeti are welcome. I think I have to, though I shall frame it as "there's a bit of a weird sequence in which we are given a pseudo-scientific explanation for yetis".
I now have a list NiF fic ideas plus growing pile of notes. Fortunately, they are largely of the short spin off from canon idea, which is very considerate of them because I don't want epic new plots just now, thank you very much, whereas a straightforward one-shot is nice. Though I may have to buy a book of Chinese poetry as the challenge of coming up with titles is even worse than usual.
*"It's so exciting! Shen Zhui is trying to reduce corruption in disaster relief"
**It struck me that the Chinese viewer has a major additional clue in telling Lin Shu and Lin Chen apart, because the latter's first appearance in a new face is heralded by his holding a bracelet that reads "Lin Shu", which is not subtitled.
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I think the kindest thing is not to warn your parents in advance because you don't want them spending tens of episodes worrying about when it's going to appear. Or just don't admit it at all - the youtube list you gave them (if it's the same as mine) will skip episode 45 anyway, and they probably won't know how to look for alternative sources, so they'll ring you to complain and then you can tell them just to keep going as they've hardly missed any plot, just Mei Changsu getting a bit delirious in front of Jingyan (which is repeated at the start of 46), and from then on they can fast forward over any bits with a white monkey man in them. hey presto! Yeti problem solved!
A pile of notes for fic ideas sounds very promising indeed. I can't wait!
The corruption in disaster relief bit is one of the obviously relevant to current circumstances parts, but I really wasn't expecting political-corruption-leads-to-a-massive-explosion-at-a-fireworks-factory-with-terrible-loss-of-life to turn out to be politically prophetic.
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As someone very insightful said on tumblr "Nirvana in Fire is a very serious political drama that takes a minute in the forty-ish episode out of fifty-four to let us know that our protagonist was at one point a VAMPIRE YETI and this is never really relevant ever."
They're not wrong. The need re. the illenss is nothing that couldn't have been done with "oh the terribly disfiguring bite of a poisonous animal" but minus the yeti part (and the blue ribbon). I wish I knew what the Chinese audience reception of it was. Maybe I'll warn them around episode 40 - they are on the same playlist, but I think they would spot it because of the way they have to click through on the app...
That is a bit timely about the fireworks factory. Come to that, I wonder whether fireworks factories - illegal or otherwise - periodically blowing up is a more commonly occuring industrial hazard in China so that it functions in a Chekhov's fireworks factory way and as soon as it's mentioned that there is one, the knowledgeable audience is instantly wondering how it is going to get blown up?
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As someone on ep 20, that is very encouraging!
Ultimately The Untamed and NiF, although both Chinese dramas of 50(+) episodes involving lots of people with flowing robes and long hair, are pretty different. They're quite different genres, The Untamed is much more light fantasy, NiF going for more of a quasi-historical drama feel with no supernatural elements.* I would definitely recommended that you try NiF because it is absolutely terrific TV drama and I love it. But though I personally think it is better television than The Untamed**, the spot that it hits for the viewer is quite different, so it isn't guaranteed to satisfy.
*Flying ninjas not counting as supernatural in this context :-)
** Especially the male characters' wigs.
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